Coronavirus

[Keeno]

Another issue that has cropped up today, a care home had all staff vaccinated.

They test staff every week and this week after the jabs EVERY member of staff tested positive for covid and have had to go home to self isolate.

NONE of them had/have any symptoms???



(They then get unvaccinated agency staff in cover the shifts, in case you think the old dears are left alone to fend for themselves. )

To quote a phrase... Something's rotten in the state of Denmark here.

I'm not up to date on none of but arnt the vaccines only stopping you getting ill? Not stopping you from catching and spreading. That's whats in my memory for some reason. These are not like normal vaccines in the fact they don't give you a tiny dose of the virus for your immune system to overcome. I remember on the news they were saying that people we with vaccine are something like 80% less likely to end up seriously ill. That statement says it only stops you getting very ill and it does not stop you getting it.

[Marcus]

Another issue that has cropped up today, a care home had all staff vaccinated.

They test staff every week and this week after the jabs EVERY member of staff tested positive for covid and have had to go home to self isolate.

NONE of them had/have any symptoms???



(They then get unvaccinated agency staff in cover the shifts, in case you think the old dears are left alone to fend for themselves. )

To quote a phrase... Something's rotten in the state of Denmark here.

I'm not up to date on none of but arnt the vaccines only stopping you getting ill? Not stopping you from catching and spreading. That's whats in my memory for some reason. These are not like normal vaccines in the fact they don't give you a tiny dose of the virus for your immune system to overcome. I remember on the news they were saying that people we with vaccine are something like 80% less likely to end up seriously ill. That statement says it only stops you getting very ill and it does not stop you getting it.

Yes, IIRC 63% reduction in hospital admissions of those who get covid. No covid is in the vaccine apparently, just messenger cells to teach your immune system how to make the protein spikes to fend off the virus. (again IIRC)... And yes you can still get it and still spread it...

But a whole workforce testing positive after receiving the vaccine with no symptoms between them?

Something's off in my mind. Are they all false positives? They were PCR tests, so looking for antigens (the genetic DNA of the virus) not antibodies, so they were infected at the time of testing.



On average there's a 0.67% chance we can end up catching this and being hospitalised. (My working out = Overall, since the pandemic started around 449 thousand people in the UK have been hospitalised by the virus out of 66.65million folks living on this rock). So the vaccine will just cut that by 63%... 0.422% If my maths is right.
= 0.25%.

Been a while since I did sums, but I'm trying to see it from every angle and evaluate my risk before having a literal experimental vaccine pumped in my arm. Especially one that is relatable to just over 500 deaths of folks who've had it in the uk over the last 3 months. (All in the government figures in the links in the previous post) And we don't know the long term effects of some of the side effects too.

(PS - I was blue lighted into hospital for 2 weeks with pneumonia at the back end of the flu epidemic when I was a fit n healthy young bloke back in 2000, I;m not just some nut job antivaxxer... I know the risks.)

[Captain Beefheart]

there was once a blokey from penarth....how went up the doc for a jab then all of a sudden the whole village called him a scab....duw duw said gary,lets bust our cherry.......... + feel free as a bird.

captain beefheart 2021.

[Captain Beefheart]

na honest to fuk folks ffs dont stick this shit inside ewe.......it changes your DNA.... i had this straight up from my butty dai frog !!!!!!! there be warned ffs. all of a sudden i feel like Florence nightingale yuh... this is only a heads up like see no rush.

[Captain Beefheart]

I know 1 or 2 who have had the Pfizer mRNA type jab our young`en included that have had bad side effects, our youngster was well fucked and thought she had covid both first and second jab, it lasted about 24 hours. The Astra Zeneca viral vector type jab ive not heard of any with bad side effects mate round our way who i know have had it, myself included, i mean i had a sore arm where jab went in like you do for a few days but nill to zero other side effects from it.

welcome to their experiment jimmi bach........ but i for 1 am out.

Indeed Beefy, but me being though a kind honest soul and risk taking type, in for a penny in for pound and all that, i might as well have second so they can get shit right from this experiment they experimenting on me with and for next time they need a proper vaccine and not an experiment, the cheeky fuckers i can`t remeber ticking a box on owt. But yes it might be then again it might not be

oi jimmi bach if ewe feeling ruff over the coming months dont say i didnt warn ewe mind ewe my chest is ruff see.

[Tictok]

I found this... https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... -reporting

Which contains these pdfs...

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... nt__2_.pdf

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... _Print.pdf

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... _print.pdf

Hundreds of thousands of reactions and 508 fatalities according to the stats on the vaccines in the UK. (scroll down to the last pages on the last 3 pdf links for the sum totals).

Safe as fuck, eh?

508 deaths.

Remember almost a year ago, the news headlines in the papers were "Schools close as deaths soar to over 100" I remember that as I had to calm my kids down who were panicking.

Emotive language, creating fear etc. etc. What about the 508 deaths so far due to the vaccine? Do those deaths not matter ? Where are the shock headlines regarding that?

I'll just leave this here...

https://evidencenotfear.com/how-sage-an ... -cKYVHrclg

[Marcus]

I apologise, my 63% efficacy was way higher...

Found this from Public Health England, Wales, Scotland NI... Numbers from 70/80+ year old groups.

https://khub.net/documents/135939561/43 ... 4617945615

"Individuals aged >=70 years vaccinated from 4th January had a similar underlying risk of COVID-19 to
unvaccinated individuals."

WHAAAT???

SO, no point being vaccinated then???

BUT...

"With BNT162b2, vaccine effectiveness reached 61% (95%CI 51-69%) from
28-34 days after vaccination then plateaued. With the ChAdOx1 vaccine, vaccine effects were seen
from 14-20 days after vaccination reaching an effectiveness of 60% (95%CI 41-73%) from 28-34 days
and further increasing to 73% (95%CI 27-90%) from day 35 onwards. "

So they're saying we all have those percentages inside us even as 70 year olds??? = If = "Individuals aged >=70 years vaccinated from 4th January had a similar underlying risk of COVID-19 to unvaccinated individuals."

????????

ALso.


"On top of the protection against symptomatic disease, cases who had been vaccinated with one
dose of BNT162b2 had an additional 43% (95%CI 33-52%) lower risk of emergency hospitalisation
and an additional 51% (95%CI 37-62%) lower risk of death."

"Cases who had been vaccinated with one
dose of ChAdOx1 had an additional 37% (95% CI 3-59%) lower risk of emergency hospitalisation."


Note the language used... Symptomatic disease... Is it about lowering symptoms and lowering the need for folks to consult GPs? Go to hospital?


The 80 + year olds it seemed to work for them though... although it gave them the covid...

"Individuals aged >=80 years vaccinated with BNT162b2 prior to 4th January, had a higher odds of
testing positive in the first 9 days after vaccination (odds ratio up to 1.48, 95%CI 1.23-1.77),
indicating that those initially targeted had a higher underlying risk of infection. Vaccine effectiveness
was therefore estimated relative to the baseline post-vaccination period. Vaccine effects were noted
from 10-13 days after vaccination, reaching an effectiveness of 70% (95% CI 59-78%) from 28-34
days, then plateauing. From 14 days after the second dose a vaccine effectiveness of 89% (95%CI:
85-93%) was seen. "

But then they extrapolate 80 and 85 % from those numbers...??? How???

"Combined with the effect against symptomatic disease, this indicates that a single
dose of either vaccine is approximately 80% effective at preventing hospitalisation and a single dose
of BNT162b2 is 85% effective at preventing death with COVID-19."

I see no workings later in the paper. Just pissing in the wind. ???

For me...

It's not about protecting the public, it's about protecting the NHS and their resources.



PS, the Oxford jab has 10% efficacy against the South African variant...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... iant-study

They are protecting their money, not the people.

I dunno though.

MAybe discuss???

These aren't peer reviewed, but man, I think we need to talk about the elephant in the room.

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